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		<title>By: Question for the author again</title>
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		<dc:creator>Question for the author again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the reply, great.  I just finished doing an Int Relations degree and have found thinking about social science in an academic context at times fascinating and at other times, deeply frustrating.  Off to work now but, like with the interest in the book, I would like to keep half an eye on the world of liberation headscratching!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reply, great.  I just finished doing an Int Relations degree and have found thinking about social science in an academic context at times fascinating and at other times, deeply frustrating.  Off to work now but, like with the interest in the book, I would like to keep half an eye on the world of liberation headscratching!</p>
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		<title>By: Dominic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dominic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 07:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The book&#039;s not too heavy on the philosophy, although I say that having lived with the jargon for so long that it no longer looks like jargon to me. There is a fair sprinkling of unusual words in it, as the copy editor pointed out to me a while back (have a guess what &quot;cacotopia&quot; means...), but it&#039;s not generally built around a scaffolding of unusual words pointing to other unusual words (&quot;now the quasi-phenomenality of the arche-fossil eventuates as a kind of cryptontological efflorescence, whose divagations we will schematise over the following 13 chapters...&quot;), as much as that kind of thing amuses me. If you can hack k-punk, you should be able to get on with OK...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The book&#8217;s not too heavy on the philosophy, although I say that having lived with the jargon for so long that it no longer looks like jargon to me. There is a fair sprinkling of unusual words in it, as the copy editor pointed out to me a while back (have a guess what &#8220;cacotopia&#8221; means&#8230;), but it&#8217;s not generally built around a scaffolding of unusual words pointing to other unusual words (&#8220;now the quasi-phenomenality of the arche-fossil eventuates as a kind of cryptontological efflorescence, whose divagations we will schematise over the following 13 chapters&#8230;&#8221;), as much as that kind of thing amuses me. If you can hack k-punk, you should be able to get on with OK&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Question for the author</title>
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		<dc:creator>Question for the author</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 03:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ello to the author of this fascinating post.  I just read this and thought it was dead interesting, I read it as a link from the kpunk blog which I sometimes read.  I think I may well find ur book very much worth reading.  I would like to ask a question though which is, would you say that your literature would be comprehensible to someone who has not studied or read much 20th century philosophy?  Or would it require a background in fairly complicated terminology?   If you would like to reply to my question by commenting here or email, please do

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ello to the author of this fascinating post.  I just read this and thought it was dead interesting, I read it as a link from the kpunk blog which I sometimes read.  I think I may well find ur book very much worth reading.  I would like to ask a question though which is, would you say that your literature would be comprehensible to someone who has not studied or read much 20th century philosophy?  Or would it require a background in fairly complicated terminology?   If you would like to reply to my question by commenting here or email, please do</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Alice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive me if my question has been covered elsewhere on your blog, I&#039;ve only just stumbled across it. 

This is an excellent piece, and your characterisation of the position of goth certainly rang true (the taunt of &#039;you&#039;re just trying to be different&#039; always seemed so beside the point to me, as a goth), but I&#039;m concerned that militant dysphoria may be another type of identity politics.  The problem with identity politics is that ideology is not just immune to them but can actually assimilate them; shifting identities (queer, rebel, etc) become in danger of sliding into just more consumer choices under capitalism.  Does the dysphoric stance hold a privileged position against this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive me if my question has been covered elsewhere on your blog, I&#8217;ve only just stumbled across it. </p>
<p>This is an excellent piece, and your characterisation of the position of goth certainly rang true (the taunt of &#8216;you&#8217;re just trying to be different&#8217; always seemed so beside the point to me, as a goth), but I&#8217;m concerned that militant dysphoria may be another type of identity politics.  The problem with identity politics is that ideology is not just immune to them but can actually assimilate them; shifting identities (queer, rebel, etc) become in danger of sliding into just more consumer choices under capitalism.  Does the dysphoric stance hold a privileged position against this?</p>
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		<title>By: anodyne lite</title>
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		<dc:creator>anodyne lite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see...well, there is also a danger in &quot;glamorizing&quot; what can be a very scary and debilitating illness, and that is the question that haunts me most, partially from a medical perspective but also just a &#039;human&#039; one--it&#039;s easy to say that becoming-schizophrenic is a lofty goal when you don&#039;t &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; to be one everyday, or to take those heavy medications just to manage your life. So I try to make some distinction between what can be achieved through real or organic illness and what is just a political pose meant to be a sympathetic, public stance with schizophrenics and the pathologized against all that it means to be &quot;normal&quot; (maybe this could be called hysterical schizophrenia). Not really an easy task, especially when one has organic problems of one&#039;s own.

You&#039;re right, in a way-- the first unspoken rule of S/M is that nobody ever uses safewords, although their existence and importance is essential to the mythology. But how do we avoid retrenching our ideals with some notion of the adult consumer when that&#039;s what--for better or obviously for worse--we all are from the perspective of the global markets?

I don&#039;t know about Herzog, but I&#039;ve half suspected Zizek might have alternately extreme ADD, a cocaine problem, and/or mild autism, in some combination, after seeing a few documentaries featuring him. It could just be that he&#039;s excitable, I don&#039;t know. I&#039;ve read that there are new treatments for autism getting decent results--they&#039;re just intensive (involve daily therapy), expensive, and reliant on early intervention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see&#8230;well, there is also a danger in &#8220;glamorizing&#8221; what can be a very scary and debilitating illness, and that is the question that haunts me most, partially from a medical perspective but also just a &#8216;human&#8217; one&#8211;it&#8217;s easy to say that becoming-schizophrenic is a lofty goal when you don&#8217;t <i>have</i> to be one everyday, or to take those heavy medications just to manage your life. So I try to make some distinction between what can be achieved through real or organic illness and what is just a political pose meant to be a sympathetic, public stance with schizophrenics and the pathologized against all that it means to be &#8220;normal&#8221; (maybe this could be called hysterical schizophrenia). Not really an easy task, especially when one has organic problems of one&#8217;s own.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, in a way&#8211; the first unspoken rule of S/M is that nobody ever uses safewords, although their existence and importance is essential to the mythology. But how do we avoid retrenching our ideals with some notion of the adult consumer when that&#8217;s what&#8211;for better or obviously for worse&#8211;we all are from the perspective of the global markets?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about Herzog, but I&#8217;ve half suspected Zizek might have alternately extreme ADD, a cocaine problem, and/or mild autism, in some combination, after seeing a few documentaries featuring him. It could just be that he&#8217;s excitable, I don&#8217;t know. I&#8217;ve read that there are new treatments for autism getting decent results&#8211;they&#8217;re just intensive (involve daily therapy), expensive, and reliant on early intervention.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Are there masochistic autists who deliberately seek out such situations, for the thrill of becoming agitated and overwhelmed?&quot;

I was talking to a friend the other day, eating breakfast over the the Werner Herzog interview in the Times on Sunday. We&#039;ve often idly noted that Herzog&#039;s mannerisms recall Aspergers, and in the Times interview Herzog almost obsessively repeats that he does not have routine in his day, does not know what will happen. 
We were speculating if this might be one way of dealing with Aspergers - rather than the classic lurch towards routines, you deny yourself routines naturalise the experience and into the bargain ensure that you don&#039;t experience the thwarting of a desire (for routine) because you&#039;ve ruled out that possibility in advance. 

This is all ridiculously speculative - and I think our pathologisation of Herzog is a bit dubious, not to mention patronising. I wouldn&#039;t have dragged it outside of the land of idle chat except for the fact that I thought the idea that came out of it was interesting and chimed with your points here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Are there masochistic autists who deliberately seek out such situations, for the thrill of becoming agitated and overwhelmed?&#8221;</p>
<p>I was talking to a friend the other day, eating breakfast over the the Werner Herzog interview in the Times on Sunday. We&#8217;ve often idly noted that Herzog&#8217;s mannerisms recall Aspergers, and in the Times interview Herzog almost obsessively repeats that he does not have routine in his day, does not know what will happen.<br />
We were speculating if this might be one way of dealing with Aspergers &#8211; rather than the classic lurch towards routines, you deny yourself routines naturalise the experience and into the bargain ensure that you don&#8217;t experience the thwarting of a desire (for routine) because you&#8217;ve ruled out that possibility in advance. </p>
<p>This is all ridiculously speculative &#8211; and I think our pathologisation of Herzog is a bit dubious, not to mention patronising. I wouldn&#8217;t have dragged it outside of the land of idle chat except for the fact that I thought the idea that came out of it was interesting and chimed with your points here.</p>
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		<title>By: Dominic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dominic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difference, if I can put this succinctly, is between saying that the dysphoric body &quot;can become the support of an imaginary negation&quot;, and saying that it is already, through its immediate acts and passions, that negation in practice. In fact there are all kinds of problems involved in making the passage from imaginary negation to practical action; if this is not to be a futile acting-out, it needs some cogent symbolic articulation - which bring us, I think, into the domain of the collective.

Other than that, are D&amp;G&#039;s schizos and &quot;my&quot; dysphorics so far apart? Clearly they&#039;re both very localised digressions from a general regime of &quot;functional&quot; cybernetic effectiveness - points where that regime&#039;s ability to format experience breaks down somewhat (I wouldn&#039;t say completely). I get the impression that for D&amp;D the schizo &quot;out for a stroll&quot; is already, immanently, a vector of deterritorialisation. For me this is a sort of &quot;left deviation&quot;, a mirror-image of the &quot;right deviation&quot; that automatically assigns the schizo to the role of permanently-narcotised hospital inmate (or the dysphoric to that of impotently miserable self-harming teenager) - a real danger, but not the only way things can go.

Jonathan M asks, above, about horror movies; you mention S&amp;M. Certainly there&#039;s a scrambling of &quot;pleasure&quot; and &quot;pain&quot; in both instances; to that extent they perhaps resemble (for the person who doesn&#039;t find them simply pleasurable, or simply painful) the dysphoric experience of &quot;normal&quot; life. Personally I find that experience one that I want to avoid, in the same way and for much the same reasons as people with Asperger&#039;s tend to avoid situations full of complex social cues. (Are there masochistic autists who deliberately seek out such situations, for the thrill of becoming agitated and overwhelmed?). I&#039;m happy to accept watching horror movies as a way to denaturalise scopophilia, or S&amp;M as a way to denaturalise sex (&quot;anti-genital tantras&quot;, indeed; I quite like this phrase), but both perform their own renaturalisations (in particular, retrenching the notion of the &quot;adult consumer&quot; who can always yelp the safeword or hit the stop button*), and are arguably simulations of a state the actual dysphoric is usually trying to get &lt;em&gt;out&lt;/em&gt; of.

* Gaspar No&#233; wages a singular war against this notion, staging in &lt;em&gt;Irreversible&lt;/em&gt; a trauma that cannot be un-experienced. Or so I&#039;m told - I find the film interesting to read about, but on the whole would prefer not to allow M. No&#233; to prove his point on me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference, if I can put this succinctly, is between saying that the dysphoric body &#8220;can become the support of an imaginary negation&#8221;, and saying that it is already, through its immediate acts and passions, that negation in practice. In fact there are all kinds of problems involved in making the passage from imaginary negation to practical action; if this is not to be a futile acting-out, it needs some cogent symbolic articulation &#8211; which bring us, I think, into the domain of the collective.</p>
<p>Other than that, are D&amp;G&#8217;s schizos and &#8220;my&#8221; dysphorics so far apart? Clearly they&#8217;re both very localised digressions from a general regime of &#8220;functional&#8221; cybernetic effectiveness &#8211; points where that regime&#8217;s ability to format experience breaks down somewhat (I wouldn&#8217;t say completely). I get the impression that for D&amp;D the schizo &#8220;out for a stroll&#8221; is already, immanently, a vector of deterritorialisation. For me this is a sort of &#8220;left deviation&#8221;, a mirror-image of the &#8220;right deviation&#8221; that automatically assigns the schizo to the role of permanently-narcotised hospital inmate (or the dysphoric to that of impotently miserable self-harming teenager) &#8211; a real danger, but not the only way things can go.</p>
<p>Jonathan M asks, above, about horror movies; you mention S&amp;M. Certainly there&#8217;s a scrambling of &#8220;pleasure&#8221; and &#8220;pain&#8221; in both instances; to that extent they perhaps resemble (for the person who doesn&#8217;t find them simply pleasurable, or simply painful) the dysphoric experience of &#8220;normal&#8221; life. Personally I find that experience one that I want to avoid, in the same way and for much the same reasons as people with Asperger&#8217;s tend to avoid situations full of complex social cues. (Are there masochistic autists who deliberately seek out such situations, for the thrill of becoming agitated and overwhelmed?). I&#8217;m happy to accept watching horror movies as a way to denaturalise scopophilia, or S&amp;M as a way to denaturalise sex (&#8220;anti-genital tantras&#8221;, indeed; I quite like this phrase), but both perform their own renaturalisations (in particular, retrenching the notion of the &#8220;adult consumer&#8221; who can always yelp the safeword or hit the stop button*), and are arguably simulations of a state the actual dysphoric is usually trying to get <em>out</em> of.</p>
<p>* Gaspar No&eacute; wages a singular war against this notion, staging in <em>Irreversible</em> a trauma that cannot be un-experienced. Or so I&#8217;m told &#8211; I find the film interesting to read about, but on the whole would prefer not to allow M. No&eacute; to prove his point on me.</p>
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		<title>By: anodyne lite</title>
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		<dc:creator>anodyne lite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just posted comparing your outline of militant dysphoria to the BwO (apologies in advance)-- I wonder if you think these two approaches to resistance differ significantly, or if they are entirely incompatible...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just posted comparing your outline of militant dysphoria to the BwO (apologies in advance)&#8211; I wonder if you think these two approaches to resistance differ significantly, or if they are entirely incompatible&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: entschwindet und vergeht</title>
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		<dc:creator>entschwindet und vergeht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>of course I can&#039;t wait to read this, but in the meantime, this short text conjured up the memory of Billy Connolly describing how the appreciation of nature has to be enforced onto children : &quot;Sky, Mountains, Trees, in that order - repeat after me - OOH, AAH, THAT&#039;S NICE!&quot; &quot;oh ah, that&#039;s nice.&quot; (smack).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of course I can&#8217;t wait to read this, but in the meantime, this short text conjured up the memory of Billy Connolly describing how the appreciation of nature has to be enforced onto children : &#8220;Sky, Mountains, Trees, in that order &#8211; repeat after me &#8211; OOH, AAH, THAT&#8217;S NICE!&#8221; &#8220;oh ah, that&#8217;s nice.&#8221; (smack).</p>
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		<title>By: reidkane</title>
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		<dc:creator>reidkane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dominic, this sounds really great. I&#039;m looking forward to reading it when it comes out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dominic, this sounds really great. I&#8217;m looking forward to reading it when it comes out.</p>
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