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		<title>By: Anodynelite</title>
		<link>http://codepoetics.com/poetix/2009/03/09/hey-there-big-man/comment-page-1/#comment-32280</link>
		<dc:creator>Anodynelite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what women feel, experience, want, need, and do is irrelevant to reality and our social relations?

Yup, that&#039;s exactly what I thought you were saying. It makes no sense. You are privileging the male perspective over the female one, as if it is the only inroads to human experience and psychosexual power dynamics. Absurdity to the max.

Please, do, tell me what&#039;s right for me. I assume it entails sitting around waiting for prince charming to save me. But then, how could he, he&#039;s my oppressor? 

I guess I should really just be at home &quot;honing&quot; my &quot;sexual intelligence&quot; by not sleeping with anyone, ever, or having any sexual encounters. That&#039;s the only path toward True Love (tm).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what women feel, experience, want, need, and do is irrelevant to reality and our social relations?</p>
<p>Yup, that&#8217;s exactly what I thought you were saying. It makes no sense. You are privileging the male perspective over the female one, as if it is the only inroads to human experience and psychosexual power dynamics. Absurdity to the max.</p>
<p>Please, do, tell me what&#8217;s right for me. I assume it entails sitting around waiting for prince charming to save me. But then, how could he, he&#8217;s my oppressor? </p>
<p>I guess I should really just be at home &#8220;honing&#8221; my &#8220;sexual intelligence&#8221; by not sleeping with anyone, ever, or having any sexual encounters. That&#8217;s the only path toward True Love &#8482;.</p>
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		<title>By: parody center</title>
		<link>http://codepoetics.com/poetix/2009/03/09/hey-there-big-man/comment-page-1/#comment-32264</link>
		<dc:creator>parody center</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, of course, I’d rather hack my nuts off with a plastic ruler than purchase sex.

You lucky bitch you always get to me with that gentle upper class top act !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, of course, I’d rather hack my nuts off with a plastic ruler than purchase sex.</p>
<p>You lucky bitch you always get to me with that gentle upper class top act !</p>
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		<title>By: Dominic</title>
		<link>http://codepoetics.com/poetix/2009/03/09/hey-there-big-man/comment-page-1/#comment-32263</link>
		<dc:creator>Dominic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;No, you don’t acknowledge that women are autonomous, because you do not leave any room for women who engage in sex-for-profit because they prefer sexual performance over other types of labor&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;m not interested in their motives and preferences. I don&#039;t claim to know what their motives and preferences are. I don&#039;t think their motives and preferences have any bearing on what is being sold, to whom, or for what purpose.

The very notion that sex work as &quot;consenting adults practicing their sexuality however they please&quot; is just total ideological mystification. One person is paying to get what they want. The other is being paid to supply it; what they want is structurally irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>No, you don’t acknowledge that women are autonomous, because you do not leave any room for women who engage in sex-for-profit because they prefer sexual performance over other types of labor</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not interested in their motives and preferences. I don&#8217;t claim to know what their motives and preferences are. I don&#8217;t think their motives and preferences have any bearing on what is being sold, to whom, or for what purpose.</p>
<p>The very notion that sex work as &#8220;consenting adults practicing their sexuality however they please&#8221; is just total ideological mystification. One person is paying to get what they want. The other is being paid to supply it; what they want is structurally irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Anodynelite</title>
		<link>http://codepoetics.com/poetix/2009/03/09/hey-there-big-man/comment-page-1/#comment-32262</link>
		<dc:creator>Anodynelite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How many lap-dancing clubs and brothels do women’s ownership of their own bodies and enjoyment of autonomous sexual feelings cause to be built?&quot;

I would say that porn has helped many women (and men) get past repression and shame about their sexuality. I don&#039;t personally like it, but hey, that doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s morally wrong.

&quot;How many soft-porn magazines for men are published because of them? How do the images in the magazines reflect or express the autonomous sexual feelings and self-ownership of the women they are images of?&quot;

I don&#039;t think there&#039;s a direct relationship between real-life sex work and availability of print porn, although I&#039;m sure some companies have their hands in the industry all over the place. Believe it or not, some women do not feel debased, or used, or upset at all by the thought of other people seeing their naked bodies and enjoying this. 

Some people think it&#039;s the most natural thing in the world for people to enjoy looking at each other&#039;s naked bodies. (Other species do it, all the time.) Why wouldn&#039;t this be something commodifiable? Why shouldn&#039;t it be? I&#039;m assuming you think this is morally wrong outright, because I can&#039;t think of any other reason why consenting adults shouldn&#039;t be able to practice their sexuality how ever they please, as long as they&#039;re not violating/hurting anybody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How many lap-dancing clubs and brothels do women’s ownership of their own bodies and enjoyment of autonomous sexual feelings cause to be built?&#8221;</p>
<p>I would say that porn has helped many women (and men) get past repression and shame about their sexuality. I don&#8217;t personally like it, but hey, that doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s morally wrong.</p>
<p>&#8220;How many soft-porn magazines for men are published because of them? How do the images in the magazines reflect or express the autonomous sexual feelings and self-ownership of the women they are images of?&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a direct relationship between real-life sex work and availability of print porn, although I&#8217;m sure some companies have their hands in the industry all over the place. Believe it or not, some women do not feel debased, or used, or upset at all by the thought of other people seeing their naked bodies and enjoying this. </p>
<p>Some people think it&#8217;s the most natural thing in the world for people to enjoy looking at each other&#8217;s naked bodies. (Other species do it, all the time.) Why wouldn&#8217;t this be something commodifiable? Why shouldn&#8217;t it be? I&#8217;m assuming you think this is morally wrong outright, because I can&#8217;t think of any other reason why consenting adults shouldn&#8217;t be able to practice their sexuality how ever they please, as long as they&#8217;re not violating/hurting anybody.</p>
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		<title>By: Anodynelite</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anodynelite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, you don&#039;t acknowledge that women are autonomous, because you do not leave any room for women who engage in sex-for-profit because they prefer sexual performance over other types of labor. In your analysis, female sex workers are ialways already bad, wrong, abased, damaged, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, you don&#8217;t acknowledge that women are autonomous, because you do not leave any room for women who engage in sex-for-profit because they prefer sexual performance over other types of labor. In your analysis, female sex workers are ialways already bad, wrong, abased, damaged, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Dominic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dominic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many lap-dancing clubs and brothels do women&#039;s ownership of their own bodies and enjoyment of autonomous sexual feelings cause to be built? How much money do they make for the owners of those establishments? How many soft-porn magazines for men are published because of them? How do the images in the magazines reflect or express the autonomous sexual feelings and self-ownership of the women they are images of?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many lap-dancing clubs and brothels do women&#8217;s ownership of their own bodies and enjoyment of autonomous sexual feelings cause to be built? How much money do they make for the owners of those establishments? How many soft-porn magazines for men are published because of them? How do the images in the magazines reflect or express the autonomous sexual feelings and self-ownership of the women they are images of?</p>
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		<title>By: Dominic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dominic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, of course, I&#039;d rather hack my nuts off with a plastic ruler than purchase sex. Fuck that shit to hell and back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, of course, I&#8217;d rather hack my nuts off with a plastic ruler than purchase sex. Fuck that shit to hell and back.</p>
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		<title>By: Dominic</title>
		<link>http://codepoetics.com/poetix/2009/03/09/hey-there-big-man/comment-page-1/#comment-32258</link>
		<dc:creator>Dominic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;if a woman is actually in full ownership of her own body and able to have sexual feelings of her own that are not merely a function of her relationship to x other person.&lt;/em&gt;

You seem to think that this isn&#039;t acknowledged, and that it changes something. I do acknowledge it, and I don&#039;t see what it changes. At most, it affects what it feels like to be her. It doesn&#039;t change what she is doing, or why someone is paying her to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>if a woman is actually in full ownership of her own body and able to have sexual feelings of her own that are not merely a function of her relationship to x other person.</em></p>
<p>You seem to think that this isn&#8217;t acknowledged, and that it changes something. I do acknowledge it, and I don&#8217;t see what it changes. At most, it affects what it feels like to be her. It doesn&#8217;t change what she is doing, or why someone is paying her to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anodynelite</title>
		<link>http://codepoetics.com/poetix/2009/03/09/hey-there-big-man/comment-page-1/#comment-32257</link>
		<dc:creator>Anodynelite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t matter what x person thinks, if a woman is actually in full ownership of her own body and able to have sexual feelings of her own that are not merely a function of her relationship to x other person. This is the problem. People afford men this full privilege, the capacity for non-relational sexual feelings that are valid, but not women.

I&#039;m also going to go out on a limb here and guess that you&#039;ve never actually been at the receiving end of sexual services.

Because there&#039;s no &quot;acting dumb&quot; or helpless. There&#039;s very little interpersonal interaction between staff and customer. You get on the pole, you dance, you get money as &quot;tips&quot; thrown at you. As a hooker, you have sex with the guy only after he gives your pimp the money. The less talking the better, unless there&#039;s some sort of fantasy role play involved. Nobody knows the performer&#039;s name or anything about him/her. This is what men are paying for: anonymous, consequence-free sex with a totally blank or &quot;empty&quot; psychological canvas. Hookers will usually pretend to like the sex, and this might entail talking, but strippers certainly don&#039;t talk. If they did, that would most likely kill the fantasy.

It&#039;s more austere an arrangement than I think the fantasy-or the media- suggests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter what x person thinks, if a woman is actually in full ownership of her own body and able to have sexual feelings of her own that are not merely a function of her relationship to x other person. This is the problem. People afford men this full privilege, the capacity for non-relational sexual feelings that are valid, but not women.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also going to go out on a limb here and guess that you&#8217;ve never actually been at the receiving end of sexual services.</p>
<p>Because there&#8217;s no &#8220;acting dumb&#8221; or helpless. There&#8217;s very little interpersonal interaction between staff and customer. You get on the pole, you dance, you get money as &#8220;tips&#8221; thrown at you. As a hooker, you have sex with the guy only after he gives your pimp the money. The less talking the better, unless there&#8217;s some sort of fantasy role play involved. Nobody knows the performer&#8217;s name or anything about him/her. This is what men are paying for: anonymous, consequence-free sex with a totally blank or &#8220;empty&#8221; psychological canvas. Hookers will usually pretend to like the sex, and this might entail talking, but strippers certainly don&#8217;t talk. If they did, that would most likely kill the fantasy.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s more austere an arrangement than I think the fantasy-or the media- suggests.</p>
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		<title>By: Dominic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dominic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;If some total loser really thinks that paying for sex in some sleazy back alley makes him “powerful”, that’s his stupidity’s fault, not the stripper’s.&lt;/em&gt;

His stupidity is nevertheless the reason why both he and the stripper are there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>If some total loser really thinks that paying for sex in some sleazy back alley makes him “powerful”, that’s his stupidity’s fault, not the stripper’s.</em></p>
<p>His stupidity is nevertheless the reason why both he and the stripper are there.</p>
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