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		<title>By: Dominic Fox</title>
		<link>http://codepoetics.com/poetix/2006/07/24/ought-implies-cant/comment-page-1/#comment-11974</link>
		<dc:creator>Dominic Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 05:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More than likely. But &quot;steals himself&quot; has interesting connotations too...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More than likely. But &#8220;steals himself&#8221; has interesting connotations too&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://codepoetics.com/poetix/2006/07/24/ought-implies-cant/comment-page-1/#comment-11965</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 03:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;em&gt;steels&lt;/em&gt; himself&quot;, perhaps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<em>steels</em> himself&#8221;, perhaps?</p>
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		<title>By: Padraig</title>
		<link>http://codepoetics.com/poetix/2006/07/24/ought-implies-cant/comment-page-1/#comment-4558</link>
		<dc:creator>Padraig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve obviously replayed the Play It Again again, oops, as I&#039;ve just now seen Nina&#039;s comments on that post from yesterday, where she quotes the very same paragraph. I can&#039;t read earlier comments last. I must read earlier comments first. After I&#039;ve read earlier comments last ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve obviously replayed the Play It Again again, oops, as I&#8217;ve just now seen Nina&#8217;s comments on that post from yesterday, where she quotes the very same paragraph. I can&#8217;t read earlier comments last. I must read earlier comments first. After I&#8217;ve read earlier comments last &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Padraig</title>
		<link>http://codepoetics.com/poetix/2006/07/24/ought-implies-cant/comment-page-1/#comment-4553</link>
		<dc:creator>Padraig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Misquote again. Misquote better.

Great posts folks (and including Nina&#039;s essay).

As it turns out, nobody misquoted  -  everybody misquoted, as Beckett, as ever, simultaneously penned both the right version and the wrong version ... (and all in the same paragraph of The Unnamable):

&quot;…you must go on, I can’t go on, you must go on, I’ll go on, you must say words, as long as there are any, until they find me, until they say me, strange pain, strange sin, you must go on, perhaps it’s done already, perhaps they carried me to the threshold of my story, before the door opens on my story, that would surprise me, if it opens, it will be I, it will be silence, where I am, I don’t know, I’ll never know, in the silence you don’t know, you must go on, I can’t go on, I’ll go on.” 

I can&#039;t help not preventing myself from finding endless further examples of Beckett&#039;s impossibly endless persistence of Drive, viz:

&#039;finality without end&#039; (Molloy, 111).

 &#039;at the same time it is over and it goes on&#039; (Molloy, 36). 
 
&#039;always the same thing proposing itself to my perplexity&#039; (Texts for Nothing, 121). 

&#039;yet another end&#039; (&#039;For to End Yet Again,&#039; 15). 

&#039;I knew that all was about to end, or to begin again, it little mattered which, and it little mattered how, I had only to wait&#039; (Molloy, 161). 

&#039;and always the same old thing the same old things&#039; (How It Is, 107). 

&#039;all is inexplicable, space and time, false and inexplicable, suffering and tears, and even the old convulsive cry, It&#039;s not me, it can&#039;t be me&#039; (Texts for Nothing, 113).

&#039;one can&#039;t go on one can&#039;t put a stop&#039; [How It Is, 90] 

Play it, Beckett.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Misquote again. Misquote better.</p>
<p>Great posts folks (and including Nina&#8217;s essay).</p>
<p>As it turns out, nobody misquoted  &#8211;  everybody misquoted, as Beckett, as ever, simultaneously penned both the right version and the wrong version &#8230; (and all in the same paragraph of The Unnamable):</p>
<p>&#8220;…you must go on, I can’t go on, you must go on, I’ll go on, you must say words, as long as there are any, until they find me, until they say me, strange pain, strange sin, you must go on, perhaps it’s done already, perhaps they carried me to the threshold of my story, before the door opens on my story, that would surprise me, if it opens, it will be I, it will be silence, where I am, I don’t know, I’ll never know, in the silence you don’t know, you must go on, I can’t go on, I’ll go on.” </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help not preventing myself from finding endless further examples of Beckett&#8217;s impossibly endless persistence of Drive, viz:</p>
<p>&#8216;finality without end&#8217; (Molloy, 111).</p>
<p> &#8216;at the same time it is over and it goes on&#8217; (Molloy, 36). </p>
<p>&#8216;always the same thing proposing itself to my perplexity&#8217; (Texts for Nothing, 121). </p>
<p>&#8216;yet another end&#8217; (&#8216;For to End Yet Again,&#8217; 15). </p>
<p>&#8216;I knew that all was about to end, or to begin again, it little mattered which, and it little mattered how, I had only to wait&#8217; (Molloy, 161). </p>
<p>&#8216;and always the same old thing the same old things&#8217; (How It Is, 107). </p>
<p>&#8216;all is inexplicable, space and time, false and inexplicable, suffering and tears, and even the old convulsive cry, It&#8217;s not me, it can&#8217;t be me&#8217; (Texts for Nothing, 113).</p>
<p>&#8216;one can&#8217;t go on one can&#8217;t put a stop&#8217; [How It Is, 90] </p>
<p>Play it, Beckett.</p>
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		<title>By: Wesley</title>
		<link>http://codepoetics.com/poetix/2006/07/24/ought-implies-cant/comment-page-1/#comment-4511</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 02:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I can tell, the only discussion here has been about whether you misquoted Beckett, not whether you misquoted Zizek, or whether Zizek misquoted Beckett in the lecture. Even now this is unclear to me, because &#039;Zizek misquoted&#039; could mean either that you misquoted Zizek, or that Zizek misquoted Beckett.

 I&#039;ve tried to look this up on the audio links to the lectures from K-Punk&#039;s site, but they seem to be malfunctioning. In any case, do we know for certain that Zizek used the &#039;you must go on, I can&#039;t go on, I&#039;ll go on&#039; quote, and not the other? Like Dominic, I like this one more, though it still seems problematic....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I can tell, the only discussion here has been about whether you misquoted Beckett, not whether you misquoted Zizek, or whether Zizek misquoted Beckett in the lecture. Even now this is unclear to me, because &#8216;Zizek misquoted&#8217; could mean either that you misquoted Zizek, or that Zizek misquoted Beckett.</p>
<p> I&#8217;ve tried to look this up on the audio links to the lectures from K-Punk&#8217;s site, but they seem to be malfunctioning. In any case, do we know for certain that Zizek used the &#8216;you must go on, I can&#8217;t go on, I&#8217;ll go on&#8217; quote, and not the other? Like Dominic, I like this one more, though it still seems problematic&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 01:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zizek misquoted. 

I.T. has made this clear to both of us with a pair of pliers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zizek misquoted. </p>
<p>I.T. has made this clear to both of us with a pair of pliers.</p>
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		<title>By: Wesley</title>
		<link>http://codepoetics.com/poetix/2006/07/24/ought-implies-cant/comment-page-1/#comment-4437</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 08:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ummm, I just googled this and found this quote, which is something different again:

 “…you must go on, I can’t go on, you must go on, I’ll go on, you must say words, as long as there are any, until they find me, until they say me...&quot;

 You could abbreviate this as &#039;I can&#039;t go on, you must go on, I&#039;ll go on&#039;, which means something in between the other two quotes.

 In any case, in Daniel&#039;s account of Zizek&#039;s lectures at Birbeck, Zizek uses the same quote as Daniel does to describe drive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummm, I just googled this and found this quote, which is something different again:</p>
<p> “…you must go on, I can’t go on, you must go on, I’ll go on, you must say words, as long as there are any, until they find me, until they say me&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p> You could abbreviate this as &#8216;I can&#8217;t go on, you must go on, I&#8217;ll go on&#8217;, which means something in between the other two quotes.</p>
<p> In any case, in Daniel&#8217;s account of Zizek&#8217;s lectures at Birbeck, Zizek uses the same quote as Daniel does to describe drive.</p>
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		<title>By: Dominic</title>
		<link>http://codepoetics.com/poetix/2006/07/24/ought-implies-cant/comment-page-1/#comment-4420</link>
		<dc:creator>Dominic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 08:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, no: Beckett was right. I like the right version better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, no: Beckett was right. I like the right version better.</p>
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		<title>By: Dominic</title>
		<link>http://codepoetics.com/poetix/2006/07/24/ought-implies-cant/comment-page-1/#comment-4419</link>
		<dc:creator>Dominic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 08:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the wrong version better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the wrong version better.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2006 23:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The gigantic irony of all of this, of course, is that the actual quote - originally misremembered by me in an overly eager Kantian conflation - is not &quot;can&#039;t, must, can&quot; at all, but rather, &quot;you must go, I can&#039;t go on, I&#039;ll go on.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The gigantic irony of all of this, of course, is that the actual quote &#8211; originally misremembered by me in an overly eager Kantian conflation &#8211; is not &#8220;can&#8217;t, must, can&#8221; at all, but rather, &#8220;you must go, I can&#8217;t go on, I&#8217;ll go on.&#8221;</p>
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